hey everyone, this is my first post.
i was contacted by the witnesses in1965, baptized in that same year at age 15. i was appointed an elder in 1975 and served as an elder for 20 years..
it hasnt been long since i learn ttatt and when i totally woke up.
Hi John and welcome to the forum.
If that's your first post, I can't wait for the second and subsequent posts. You're going to have to work really hard to top that.
One day I will tell the story of my baptism although it is not nearly as good as the fishnet stockings.
Anyway welcome again.
being that this is not "ex jws" and in fact, more driven by atheists talking a bunch of crap, im not even going to address you people like you know anything about jws because you dont.
nor am i going to assume you know the bible because none of you do.. and yes, im speaking down at you all because you men have actually went out your way to make a site to speak down at an entire group of people.
yet i bet you cant even handle a single uswer talking down at you, like you talk down about jws can you?.
I didn't mean that we have to be tolerant of opinions that are insulting as the opening comments on this topic were. My comments were directed to the person who started this.
There are many good, loving, caring people on this site and they do not deserve to be spoken to like that.
If you are sick of this forum, leave, just leave. You don't have to burn your bridges behind you, therefore not ever being able to come back. Why lose the support of all the wonderful people on this site by being banned.
Go away and chill for a while, you may feel better later.
To all the others, of course you can defend yourselves but you should not have to. We come here for company, discussion, comfort, new ideas and thinking, respect, all the things we didn't get at the hall.
being that this is not "ex jws" and in fact, more driven by atheists talking a bunch of crap, im not even going to address you people like you know anything about jws because you dont.
nor am i going to assume you know the bible because none of you do.. and yes, im speaking down at you all because you men have actually went out your way to make a site to speak down at an entire group of people.
yet i bet you cant even handle a single uswer talking down at you, like you talk down about jws can you?.
Could we all please stop this topic.
There was enough rubbish when we were all attending meetings, let's be more loving, tolerant of differing opinions and enjoy each other's company. That's what we, or at least I come here for. I love different opinions, beliefs, etc.
Show those Jdubs we are happy, settled and accepting of others.
i never thought i would be commenting, let alone starting a new topic in the category of bible research and study.
anyone reading my comments on this site would have realised that i am the most unspiritual person to have ever stepped foot inside a kh.
yet for the first time in my life, on saturday night, i did some meaningful bible study/research, on my own without a wtbts publication in sight, except the nwt bible.
Rebel8 I understand what you are saying but that was the idea of checking very carefully each scripture quoted, not just taking his word for it. Also the study questions that the WTBTS use draw the readers attention to what they want whereas no questions make the reader analyse the whole article and not participate in a mindless question and answer underling session.
Some of us need some guidance but also need to develop our own thinking skills too. I am not just taking everything at face value anymore. I have read enough since fading to realise that everything needs to be picked apart and checked properly now and I hope that is what I am on the road to doing.
talking to a cherished "in" friend, i mentioned:.
"how can you go door to door and represent these outlandish doctrines that make you different from the householders, .
overlapping generations, abstaining from the eucharist, submission to leaders even in the face of unreasonable demands, failed, false prophecies?
talking to a cherished "in" friend, i mentioned:.
"how can you go door to door and represent these outlandish doctrines that make you different from the householders, .
overlapping generations, abstaining from the eucharist, submission to leaders even in the face of unreasonable demands, failed, false prophecies?
i never thought i would be commenting, let alone starting a new topic in the category of bible research and study.
anyone reading my comments on this site would have realised that i am the most unspiritual person to have ever stepped foot inside a kh.
yet for the first time in my life, on saturday night, i did some meaningful bible study/research, on my own without a wtbts publication in sight, except the nwt bible.
Thank you Jhine for your comments. I know what you are saying about Bibles other than the NWT. It was actually interesting using the NWT and the NIV as the NIV used one different word in one scripture which changed things from the NWT a bit. Mark who wrote the essay said about a Greek word used for that very change so I got out the Kingdom Interlinear Translation (never used it before) and I'm no Greek scholar but the word in Greek did look to me to be closer to the NIV word than the NWT word used. Interesting I thought. If I had abandoned the NWT, I would not have picked up on that. It may seem silly, but I need to have confidence in other translations and compare for a while with the NWT before I completely put it aside, be patient with me.
Thanks for your offer to pm you too. I may just do that.
i never thought i would be commenting, let alone starting a new topic in the category of bible research and study.
anyone reading my comments on this site would have realised that i am the most unspiritual person to have ever stepped foot inside a kh.
yet for the first time in my life, on saturday night, i did some meaningful bible study/research, on my own without a wtbts publication in sight, except the nwt bible.
TPP I would be interested in the names of those websites you mentioned in the above post.
Love your cartoon picture. Too true. They look like Charles Dickens characters and about as enlightened too.
do you believe the marketing of jay w org will convert more people or help inactive ones remain indoctrinated?
do you believe the marketing of jay w org will convert more people or help inactive ones remain indoctrinated?
I'm no marketing expert and as a person diagnosed with Aspergers, I think differently from others. In my Aspergers mind, the JW.org campaign is a turn off. I know companies use logos to bring their company to people's minds when they see the logo. It is very effective or they wouldn't use it.
However, in my search for God, I am not looking for a company or a logo. I am not buying a car, opening a bank account or deciding where to buy my groceries for the week. I am looking for Bible truth, not a catchy logo or theme song. This means my life and it is not about whether I buy my food at Coles, Woolworths or Aldi or drive a Mazda or a Toyota. It is about the truth of Jehovah and Jesus and needs much research. A fish or a blue square are not going to cut it for me. I think Ray Franz had the right idea. He did his own thinking and then gathered with people in small groups where they could think, reason and discuss together. There were no religious or christian labels, or logos, just Bible study. He had seen enough of organised religion, more than you or I have ever seen.
